Let's Talk about that BM Episode on Discovery Times Shall we????

topic posted Fri, February 3, 2006 - 9:25 AM by  Shadow
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Did anyone see it?

It started off good enough, it even started off kind of funny and seemed like he kind of got it, UNTIL about the 50th time he mentioned drugs!! WTF??? At some point you could even swear he was high!!
He went to an art festival where he only mentioned art about 5 times and then about 50 or more times mentions drugs and orgies!

You could've made a drinking game out of this it was so ridiculous

Hey Ted-War how many times did it take for him to get the fire breathing right? The terror in his eyes was priceless!!! AND we kow it took a few times because when they showed his one good shot they didn't edit the part where you said, "that one was much better"

Hilights though, him trying to interview people and shouting he was mainstream media!
The guy with the motorized porch swing setting it in reverse and jumping off leaving the interviewer in it not knowing what to do!
Larry Harvey avoiding his question about Media and
Larry Harvey putting the guys pants on!!

I hate to say it though, The Malcolm in the Middle episode was a more accurate portrayal then what this guy did!!

That is my opinion, what about yours???
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Shadow
SF Bay Area
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  • I think the host really got into it. Sex, drugs, shaved head and all. I wonder if he'll be coming back this year?

    He was definitely altered on camera. Listen to his voice when he's doing narrative after the fact versus when he's on the Playa. If he wasn't high already, he was caught stealing a sip of the greeter's beer at the gate. He then openly enjoyed a cocktail while getting his feet washed and finally, he was just a drunken or otherwise fucked -up idiot when he dropped into the radio station and talked about New Orleans. I'm not sure if sobriety is a component of journalistic integrity, but he didn't even try to hide the fact that he was partying..

    I agree, his focus was skewed toward drugs, and not on art and community, but, judging from his behavior, that may have been more of what HIS burn was about. Walking around with a cameraman behind him certainly affected most of his interactions one way or another, including many people refusing to interact with him altogether.

    All things considered, I think he did his best to participate and he got into the spirit of the event as much as any virgin with the "handicap" of being followed around by a camera crew could.

    It's not an innaccurate depiction of Burning Man, it's just an incomplete one.

    My $.02

    mr e
  • He had had a little experience from the circus episode, but had only breathed ethanol at that point. that's what the oven speach was about, we moved him up to lamp oil. That shot of him running from Nick was totally real. Yes, that whole session an for the better part of an hour, and I must'vve mad him go through half a bottle of rubbing alcohol and a full tank of lamp oil before I was ready to approve him for the Ocean of Fire.

    I liked what I saw of the Malcom thing too, though it had it's problems: the flaming catapult would never pass in a tent city; the cactus; and the cartoonishly overwhealming variety. It was like they tried to take every single, superior art project from burning man and stuff them all into a single sound stage. They left out a lot of the randoms cars parked here and there, basic tents, streets, etc.

    What I liked about the way they cut Only in America was his gradual migration into the community. That much, at least was real. The breathing interview was on Wednesday, the Guiness attempt on Thursday, we didn't see him Friday, but he poped in Saturday with his gold face, wearing a sarong, lookin like a burner. He... felt... a little more like one too. From what I understand, he spent much of Sunday getting spanked...
    • Yes, it did look like he got caught up in his surroundings. And it almost felt like his attempt to throw eggs at the Man was an idea that sounded good to them (he and DTC) earlier, but his heart just wasn't in it by the time they decided to stage it.

      Overall, I don't think they did any better or worse at capturing the spirit of BM than any of the many docs I've previously seen. I felt that the Malcom episode did nothing to persuade a virgin to eventually check out BM, but I *do* feel that some people will be intrigued enough by the DTC piece to come check it out for themselves...

      ...whether or not those "tv watchers" will add anything positive to BRC is another topic.
  • over all I thought it was one of the best doucmentaries I have seen on BM.
    I felt like the negatives he brought out aren't anything that I wasn't aware of, nor are they things that I haven't consious choosen to take a different route.
    for example he made a comment about people without roots are just driftings. my response would be I am not drifting, I was a person who with all the community rules and ceremonies I grew up, was left feeling empty by those rules. suburban existances was a nightmare for me. I know I look like I am drifting to people who want the two cars in the garage, the house that looks like every other in the track. but it's that I control my own rudder and I don't want to steer towards the same goals that I was raised to think were important.

    taz
  • I found it to be overly simplistic, narrow, and judgemental...in short...kinda what I expect from mainstream media.... And...on the other hand...not as bad as I would usually expect. At least he was young and somewhat open to what was going on. I just imagine how much worse it would have been with someone really mainstream reporting it...like 60 Minutes or 20/20.

    That said, there's no such thing as bad press. The only people who will be turned off by this fluff piece are folks who likely would never have attended anyway. And the folks who see it and are likely to attend...will write off his thoughts for the mainstream-media-pandering opinions that they are.
    • My real question is how many people actually watch the show? 4? 5? This is a premium level channel, in basic cable level programming, and it doesn't come bundled with a movie channnel. Most cable companies don't even carry it, and those that do, place it in the "extra channels" section that most people only bother with after they've gotten their 'basic and a movie channel' covered. In short, the only people liketly to have had an opportunity to see it are the upper-middle class who can afford full cable, and then only those interested in watching something other than movies. In short, maybe 6...nationally.

      We only watched it becuse it was near and dear. Who's planning on watching the one about Detroit streets next week?

      Just sayin....
      • Watched it...didn't care for it, but then I don't think anyone elses' view of the event will make anyone say "Yup, THAT'S what BM means to me."

        Personally, after seeing him egg the man, go on about the drugs while passing by and ignoring some of the coolest art on the playa, describe the Temple in a way that to me appeared shallow and cheap, and end the show with his last words describing the Man as bad art simply made me perceive him as a guy I probably wouldn't hang with at the burn anyway. So I wouldn't expect him to experience or report on it it like I would. Then again, there's probably many people who saw it and LOVED it because it was how they saw the event. To each his own.

        It was nice to see Charlie, Syd and the gang with the Gnosts....too bad he didn't want to hear about THAT project. A rather waste of an opportunity in my view.
  • I thought it was pretty well balanced WRT the population at the event. He commented that about 10% of the folks there are do-ers while the rest are hangers on at best. His narrative, taken in that context, was more than proportionately generous to art and artists. To my taste the edit could have spent less time talking to SNAGs pontificating about counter culture and filled that time interviewing some big camp organizers but again, that choice was certainly representative of 'the community.'

    Favorite quote

    "The more I see of America, the less I get it."

    spot on dude, spot on.

    I smiled.
    • well Ted-War I know most of Oakland watched up and half of them were at my house.

      And yes on cable it is an extended channel, but not on sattelite dish which is the majority of the people (except me apartment living forces cable) and both Comcast and Time Warner carry the channel.

      So, what else do you want to know?
      • Shadow, you didn't get it did you? How many of those people packed in your apartment will be back this Thursday to see the "the Real 8 mile" episode? Yeah, a lot of burners watched it, but the same thing happens to ANY burner-related media. People are all worrried about it being a mass media peice that will draw unwanted crowds, but how many people actually /watch the show/ regularly?
        • Does any of this discussion strike you as odd? I mean don't you all feel like a specimen of some sort. Being watched and probed by the aliens? All this talk about, "well its not how I would of reported it" just makes me think that we are accepting this type of study on our personal cultures. Am I the only one who thinks that BM is done and over with and the rest of burners everywhere are holding on to a utopia that does not exist in its truest form anymore? I went a few times and I left feeling inspired artistically and I had an overwhelming feeling of individuality from all the trips to BM. I mean we built our home and lived in it. Some burners took cover in our home while their camps were being blown away by the crazy winds! I got consumed by a dust storm or two and on my last trip. Those are just a few of the many adventures I can recall without making this too long of a story. Overall I felt like I could never make this an every year thing. It was too wonderful for me to water down by going all the time and making it a part of my yearly traditions. I already have things in my life that are redundant so, I made the last trip my last and when asked if I was going, I said with confidence, no. It probably was on its way down when I got there in 2000. I'm just reading all this about Discovery Channel doing a documentary and feeling like I made the right decision to take my experiences and store them in my head. No one can take that from me. Feeling like an ant next to big art piece or giving my boxers to someone for a drink of booze the list goes on but its all mine! I haven't been to BM in years and you know what it doesnt bother me. I came I saw and I was inspired. Shit where I work we make cartoons for this channel and it just seems weird to have Burning Man cross with my daily grind as if the charcters in the cartoons we produce for preschoolers are in the green room with Larry? When my co-worker who frequents Coachella and used to make fun of me for being a dj says hes going to Burning Man in an RV I just had to laugh and say have fun dude! To him it was just a place to get fucked up and party. When he came back to work with stories from BM none of them were about the art or the people. To each his own I always say. But c'mon if the private, secret, holy journey you take every year is on TV then its not so sacred anymore is it? And all this talk about who was watching is missing the point I think. Just my two pennies.
          • The burningman you attended did end. It ends each time you leave the city. You say your last time was 2000? What do you say to the people who stopped going 4 years before you because they couldn't get their gun on anymore? How about the people who stopped 2 years before that because tickets could be purchased before the event and "no spectators" signs were posted the previous year? Or two years before that when BM kissed up to the BLM, or two before that when it was moved out of California? Let's be real, here, if you weren't one of the couple hundred people on the beach in Sausilito, you weren't really AT burning man.... :)

            Yes, the event has grown and changed. Every year good things happen, and bad things happen. You want spirituality? how about this: You missed ALL of David Bests Temples. All of them. I witnessed such beauty, magic and love at those temples the likes of which I will never forget. And the burning of them has taken it's place as part of the event. When the 'real burningman' participants can gather after watching the tourists leave and have a quiet, soulful burn.

            It's m belief that if somehow burninman became redundant for you, it's because YOU didn't get it....
            • Thank you Ted, it was well put. End of Story. Don't like Burning Man the way it is DONT GO. If you think you can make a change do what BORG2 did, make a hoopla, scream and shout enough at the Man and you may get heard. Frankly the event, Its what you make of it and every year is different for EVERY BODY. This thread has a little whining tone to it. Want something new or change of pace, go to a regional.
            • Oh, BTW, I first heard about Burningman in '98 when an online service called Zing offered burningman shots as part of it's optional fare in a specialized gallery program. Some of the shots were tagged with TV station monikers in the lower right hand coner. That means TV crews were on site in 97....

              Sacredness comes from within, not without.
            • Ted, if 2000 was his last year, then he did not miss all of the Temples
              • D'oh, temple of the Mind...
                I keep forgetting about that one.
                (I didn't see much that year...windstorms)
                • My first was 2000 ;} 2001 was my last. and i stayed the whole week twice and djd all over the playa so I got to see every thing dambut thanks for the history lesson. anyway, I never said I was an expert or anything. So since youve proved that the real burning man does not exist what are we talking about or what do you call it? Spiritual art can exist everywhere not only at BM. Art is forever changing and is all around us in all forms everyday. you dont need to be a burning man expert to get what is going on there. and you dont have to continue to go to understand either. And since the cameras have been there since 97 then I guess this topic is old.

                  Ted-War I hope you dont feel I like what I said was an attack on you or anything. I was just sharing my thoughts. My opinion. Thats all

                  back to the topic:

                  you had made another assumption about viewers. and ther only being 6 nationaly.

                  corporate.discovery.com/brands...es.html

                  BTW that is in the US ONLY. Lets not talk about where the same programming could have been distributed in other countries dubbed in other languages. There are cable networks in other countries not just in America.

                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    >>Ted-War I hope you dont feel I like what I said was an attack on you or anything.<<
                    No, dude, it's cool. i just got really tired of hearing about the "good ole days' when you could get in a truck with a drunken driver and zip by the drive-by shooting range. Some of the "old-timers" pop up on occasion and pull that old yarn out. Thing is, a LOT of the "old-timers" never attended burningman before it moved to the playa, that's really where I was heading.

                    Personally, I feel that the 36 milliion number is severely padded. Here in Holywood, it's an "extended basic" channel. Which means you have to buy basic (which gets you Sci Fi, Comedy, Discovery and History channels) and then you have to pay $15 a month more to get extended basic. And we haven't hit on the Movie channels yet. remember most cable companies offer basic plus one or two Movie channels with no mention of extended basic or full service. Based on the US having only 200 million people in it, and a very liberal 50% of them having cable, that's Maybe 100 million who have access to the channel. So, they're saying that 1/3rd of those people are paying for premium basic? Doesn't sound right to me. More likely 1 out of 6 homes have cable (or about 36 mill), and of them, 1 out of 6 have +Access+ to the channel (6 million), then less than 1% of them who bother to watch the show regularly (as opposed to the massive influx of burners for this one episode). A national audience of 60,000 is approximate to the actual number of burners who have ever attended. And these are reasonabley affluent (extended basic cable, or full cable/dish), travel-oriented individuals.