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In light of current events it's just disrespectful to be burning the man anymore or anything else in BLC. This is a huge waste of wood and resources. We call ourselves mindful while we are wasting hundreds of tree's. I can't even go to the burn without thinking of how backwards this movement has become. Stop it now by picketing the man this year. Go green Burning Man or we'll have to protest you. Save these beautiful structures of wood. If we have to lets chain ourselves to the Man.
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Re: Stop burning.
Thu, May 14, 2009 - 5:52 PMI'm pretty sure the gasoline used to transport Burners to Black Rock City (not to mention power the generators for a week) is a much larger footprint than the wood used on the man. Is that a waste of resources, too?
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Re: Stop burning.
Thu, May 14, 2009 - 6:31 PM-I'm pretty sure the gasoline used to transport Burners to Black Rock City (not to mention power the generators for a week) is a much larger footprint than the wood used on the man. Is that a waste of resources, too?
Sure it is, a true burner would bike there from Portland and chain themselves to the man in protest.
Now what steps can we take to stop people from driving there?
Really the companies behind selling all this gas and wood stand to make a lot of money.
Are we saying we support these corporations?
If we are so enlightened I think we should all consider biking there from LA and stopping them from burning the man so we can take it back with us. -
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Re: Stop burning.
Thu, May 14, 2009 - 10:46 PMOk.... so portland or LA make up your mind geese...
So lets say we get everyone to bike there to stop Burning the man, then what? The man has already been built, so that wood is pretty much used already, so what's that going to solve?
And what is the goal exactly to specifically get people to stop burning the man and just throw away the wood? Or to get people to stop going all together?
Then what you have 40,000 people who are going on vacation somewhere else, which will require just as much gasoline if not more, you aren't going to convince anyone to bike to Thailand that's for sure.
And I bet where they will also be in buildings.... made of wood.... that use electricity.... and they may rent a car while they are there, and it may not be a hybrid!
Oh yeah and how are you going to bike with all that camping gear?
And how will you be sure you will stay hydrated if you're chained to the man.
And why did you start an account solely to start this thread? Why not use you're real identity.
Why did I spend the time writing this to some troll, whose just going to have more "controversial" and unfounded responses.
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Re: Stop burning.
Thu, May 14, 2009 - 11:36 PMTwo of the coolest burners did bike down to the Man from Portland with all their gear through all that desert and bike back after.
They used to be together and the one girl owns a clothing line that kick ass just encase anyone might be reading this that knows anyone fitting that description.
Maybe your the troll trying to trash the good idea I was just bouncing around.
I was thinking LA cause it's probably a good meeting point even for people that want to come from father up the coast.
I also said we should hijack the man and bike back and then we can set him up again in Calie somewhere, maybe paint him and make a thing of it.
There is a war going on and it's being waged by consumerism, this hole idea might not be worth it but I know if this sort of thing were to happen I'd be happier.
Might even get some old friends to go, seeing how a lot of people kind of stopped back around 2005.
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Re: Stop burning.
Thu, May 14, 2009 - 11:58 PMSorry about the misspelled words and shit, been drinking and the worbs keeping spinning around.
Maybe your right I'll just start a Stop The Burn tribe.
I was really wanting to see if anyone was interested first.
What your saying though is leave this tribe?
I thought if anyone had any good ideas about this topic LA would. So far I was right.
Now I am talking about jacking the man somebody else payed for and a possible big deal and your wondering why I would use a dummy account.
I think there's laws against this sort of stuff but if we really did take this idea seriously then I am sure something can be worked out, I am not really into braking the law.
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Re: Stop burning.
Fri, May 15, 2009 - 12:19 AMI never suggested you shouldn't post here, or that you should start your own tribe. You can do what you want dude I don't care.
And I don't care if you pull this thing off and get thousands of people to bike with you and and protest the man, go for it dude! I think it would make for an interesting burn.
Have a blast, really, go for it.
I just don't think it makes very much sense, that's all. Don't let that stop you though, I'm just some guy.
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Re: Stop burning.
Fri, May 15, 2009 - 12:14 PMDouchebag,
Before you set up your grand plan to hijack the Man, take a minute and learn to use spellcheck, it's a good thing
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Fri, May 15, 2009 - 6:17 PM"Sorry about the misspelled words and shit, been drinking and the worbs keeping spinning around."
What a great idea. Get drunk first, *then* post a rant.
On the other hand, that explanation does help clear up any questions I might have had regarding your thoughtbrainworking processisizings.
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Re: Stop burning.
Fri, May 15, 2009 - 6:23 PMSorry...have had a little too much to drink this afternoon. Meant to say, 'processimuhsizings.'
*Hiccup*
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Re: Stop burning.
Fri, May 15, 2009 - 12:44 PMThere's a group already. It's called "Save the man":
Here's a few pictures
www.flickr.com/photos/foo...1363392587/
www.flickr.com/photos/134...1372906835/
www.flickr.com/photos/foo...1364282220/
www.flickr.com/photos/slo...2070815811/
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Re: Stop burning.
Fri, May 15, 2009 - 11:00 PMFrom the moment you get out to BRC you are completely overwhelmed by all the excess of the entire event. The amount of gasoline used for people to drive there, power generators for a week, power art cars and then drive back home is so wasteful. I also find it extremely hypocritical that BM preaches things like "leave no trace" yet the vehicles parked on the playa leaking any number of fluids as well as the air pollution from cars and everything that's burned, light pollution and noise pollution from the nonstop rave atmosphere, and the countless number of people that probably choose to "relieve" themselves on the playa must undoubtedly be making a negative impact on that fragile environment. On top of that I think it's ridiculous to promote BM as a gifting society and basically anti-consumerism when so much money is spent on costumes, camping equipment, theme camps, art installations, art cars, etc. So what if people aren't spending money when they get there - all you have to do is take a look around to get an idea of just how much of a consumer society it really is.
I think I would rather just be camping out in the woods or doing something where I could enjoy the natural beauty of the world around me rather than feeling lost in a sea of blinky lights, rave music and so many people. I certainly don't claim to be the poster child for living a life free of consumerism or without leaving a carbon footprint, but I am trying to do better on both of those fronts and just can't participate in something so wasteful with a clear conscience because I know it has to be making a negative impact. Another concerning fact is this kind of blatant I don't care attitude and the fuck you vibe that seems to be growing amongst the goers. Telling me to stay home and plant tree's and unwelcoming a new idea, correcting my spelling. Maybe just maybe you should all check yourself. Take a look in the mirror before you say something. Do these comments impress your friends? is this what you really want people to see you for? Kind of gives me the impression your a little rude and egotistical. I am not telling anyone what to do, what gives anybody the right to tell me what I should do? It's a symbiotic relationship. Telling me what to do with my ideas is the same thing you should be telling yourself, in effect there is no difference. -
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Re: Stop burning.
Sat, May 16, 2009 - 12:05 AM"I am not telling anyone what to do, what gives anybody the right to tell me what I should do?"
At this point, I'd like to refer back to your earlier post, namely:
"Stop it now by picketing the man this year. Go green Burning Man or we'll have to protest you."
Color me wacky, but isn't that, well, telling someone what to do? Having looked through the posts, it seems that most folks replying to you aren't trying to tell you what to do, but are instead trying to help you do what you want, i.e. directing you to tribes which share your sentiments, etc.
'Nother O'Douls, Drinkie? *Hiccup*
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Unsu...
"Who's that Trip Trapping Over My Bridge?"
Sat, May 16, 2009 - 8:34 AMIndeed. I resisted any urge to assume he was a troll but trying to tell people what to do, only to accuse the different opinions as trying to dictate behavior.....yeah...pretty trollish since it seems to only waste time.
We encourage expression, even of differing opinion
We encourage good intention and positive attitude for change
Your posts do neither. "Good day, sir."
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Re: Stop burning.
Sat, May 16, 2009 - 8:33 AMOkay so BM has some excesses....I mean c'mon in some ways, that's what
it's all about. We all know that. But I think if we live our default world lives in a
thoughtful way--recycling, driving gas saving cars, conserving resources, reusing
shit etc.... then our overall imprint on the planet is minimal over the one week of
the event.
Of all people, you should know that Burners do NOT like being told what to do.
You're trying to lay this heavy guilt trip on them, which is never going to work.
Seriously the bristled response on this thread should have been expected.
And if you would "rather be camping out in the woods..." or something like that
then do it. No one should go to BM that doesn't believe in it anymore. And btw
the fuck you attitude has been there from day 1. You just never really crossed
a Burner before. And to be honest, you are coming across like someone who
likes to create drama. How does THAT help the planet?
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Re: Stop burning.
Sat, May 16, 2009 - 9:37 AM"From the moment you get out to BRC you are completely overwhelmed by all the excess of the entire event."
I get the same feeling when I visit Manhattan or Los Angeles. "completely overwhelmed by all the excess"
And those cities are 24/7, BM is a couple of weeks.
It's more like a vacation spot that disappears after you visit.
One should know by now that "you" make your own happiness and if BM doesn't suit you, cool don't go. I'm pretty sure you won't be missed. The Universe doesn't swing like that.
But the rest of us 50,000 folks are going to enjoy ourselves and each other quite well thank yo very much.
I will also bet the carbon foot print from 50,00 Burners is less than 50,000 Angelinos or New Yorkers.
And we pick up after ourselves! Anyway.......
Peace & Harmony to you all...................
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Re: Stop burning.
Sat, May 16, 2009 - 10:20 AM"From the moment you get out to BRC you are completely overwhelmed by all the excess of the entire event. The amount of gasoline used for people to drive there, power generators for a week, power art cars and then drive back home is so wasteful. I also find it extremely hypocritical that BM preaches things like "leave no trace" yet the vehicles parked on the playa leaking any number of fluids as well as the air pollution from cars and everything that's burned, light pollution and noise pollution from the nonstop rave atmosphere, and the countless number of people that probably choose to "relieve" themselves on the playa must undoubtedly be making a negative impact on that fragile environment. On top of that I think it's ridiculous to promote BM as a gifting society and basically anti-consumerism when so much money is spent on costumes, camping equipment, theme camps, art installations, art cars, etc. So what if people aren't spending money when they get there - all you have to do is take a look around to get an idea of just how much of a consumer society it really is. "
So you HAVE been to BM? AND how many times have you been to BM? AND are you going back to BM this year?
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Re: Stop burning.
Sun, June 21, 2009 - 12:59 PM"I think I would rather just be camping out in the woods or doing something where I could enjoy the natural beauty of the world around me rather than feeling lost in a sea of blinky lights, rave music and so many people."
There is something like that. It's called The Rainbow Festival. It sounds like it's waaay more up your alley......I know where it is this year, but you need to do the research yourself if you really choose to go there instead of Burning Man to protest the excesses. (that is assuming you want to be near a gathering of people, not out in the woods by yourself avoiding people). It's in the woods. There are no blinky lights or techno.
So I guess I can join the people of BRC by saying "Bye-don't let the geodome flap hit you on the @$$ on the way out......"
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Re: Stop burning.
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 8:54 AMActually, the wood isn't the big deal. If you want to worry about environmental impact, it is the airborne pollution we release. If you want to protest something, I would suggest you at least protest an actual issue, so you don't appear ignorant. I personally justify it with some convoluted logic, so I won't join your protest, but I would suggest you do a little research and give it some thought before you chain yourself to anything. -
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Re: Stop burning.
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 3:24 PMit always seemed to me
that a big part of the
rationale behind the burn
was it's symbolic/mystical precursors...
as in:
the focused attention
of so many participants in a
ritual-esque state at once
could have a metaphysical impact *larger*
than the actions on the mere physical plane.
(though, it would be nice
if the wood to make it
was 100% salvage --
but that's just frosting
and a a pretty tall order....)
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Re: Stop burning.
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 4:14 PMYa know, the Burn is a drop in the bucket compared to an average Boil parade. You want something to protest, how about the waste of all those floats? -
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Re: Stop burning.
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 9:20 PMhow do I protest all the douche that's been wasted in this thread? -
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Re: Stop burning.
Mon, June 1, 2009 - 10:11 PMThink of all the vagina's that could of.... ok I'm done. -
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Re: Stop burning.
Tue, June 2, 2009 - 1:40 PMummm
think of all the
Mangina power
that could have been diverted
to higher purpose.
party different
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Re: Stop burning.
Tue, June 2, 2009 - 6:32 PMJB, the only way to adequately protest the douchebaggery is to go shirtcocking for the entirety of your next Burning Man trip. With a tennis bat.
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Re: Stop burning.
Wed, June 3, 2009 - 10:38 AMIf you don't like it, don't go. It's that simple. No need to bring the negativity and anger and bitterness into the vibe.
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Re: Stop burning.
Wed, June 3, 2009 - 3:34 PMIsn't it like man's ultimate return to nature, the burning? -
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Re: Stop burning.
Wed, June 3, 2009 - 4:02 PMThe excitement, joy and passion that are invoked during the burning, far outweigh the perceived negative effects to the environment.....
My .o2 ? require all art cars to be bio diesel, solar or human powered ~ which would : A - lower the amount of art cars, B - up the anty as far as environmental creativity, and C - create less pollution...
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Re: Stop burning.
Wed, June 3, 2009 - 11:01 PMThe burning I don't mind, it's the itching that drives me crazy. -
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Re: Stop burning.
Sun, June 21, 2009 - 12:50 PMI guess we could all stay home from Burning Man and not interact with real people and turn into blobs as we Twitter away, but is that really going to make the world a better place? Will it make us better people? If you think so-go for it.
Once we get to Burning Man we park for about a week, instead of driving around every single day. Since I pretty much bike during that week and never even start the car, as opposed to my usual driving to work and the other places I go to meet friends and do things-I think my carbon footprint on driving there probably is offset by the week of non-driving. Plus, the lights are more or less off at my house all week and I am not using the stove, oven, microwave or hot water heater...further "savings" of fossil fuels.
If I chose instead to go Yellowstone Park I would get up each morning and spend at least part of the day driving around. Most national Parks in the US are not bike friendly, unless you want to get clipped in the head and thrown into the ditch by some guy driving an RV who is more intent on taking scenery shots while driving than avoiding the (foolhardy) bikers which he can barely see. I've worked in 4 national Parks in my day, and that happened in nearly every single one of them on a weekly basis. Woe to those who wish to bike instead of drive.
These Natl' Parks where I can roam and sightsee freely without angering some landowner are a further drive than BRC for me as well-so I would end up driving a long way to get there then keep on driving throughout the vacation.
I was told that David Best, who designed the Temples for many years, built them out of scrap wood from a toy factory. I was told thos swirly, gorgeous patterns were really the pattern pieces used for the toys (they would cut toys out of the wood with some sort of a router, then either throw away the left-over wood and fill up a landfill or burn it near the factory to get rid of it). Maybe the "Man" can be built out of scrap wood instead-or maybe he has been in the past-I am not there when he is built.
As for the man, I could see a big "Serpent Mother" type of man built out of metal and used from year to year, but then there are transport and storage issues...so who knows what it will EVOLVE into..... -
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Sun, June 21, 2009 - 1:01 PMOoh-I just read my posts and I am coming across as "Miss Crankypants"-I'm sorry-I meant to be more respectful, but maybe the Solstice Celebrating yesterday left me a little rude and tired-sorry!
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Burner Land
Wed, June 24, 2009 - 11:28 PMLet's make a permanent Burner Land theme park where we burn a man built of metal and uses gas tanks, kinda like the Back Draft thing at Universal. We can charge a crazy entrance fee per day and hand out glow sticks at the door.
Really, I wonder what the ozone layer over Disney looks like....after all those years of blasting fireworks nightly, balloons floating away only to pop and choke a fish in the ocean somewhere, all the gas people use to take planes and cars to get there, never mind the amount of fuel used at Autopia on a daily basis, which has little cars that run on diesel engines. Don't even get me started on the amount of trash that is consumed daily from drink, food, manufactured toys, batteries, disposable cameras, etc.
We can pick on the world, or we can do our part. We can chain ourselves to the man or we can acknowledge the man burning is a tiny part of what's going on. Now, looking at the bigger picture....how can we change the world, one event, one theme park, one drive to work in the morning at a time? -
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Re: Burner Land
Tue, June 30, 2009 - 5:14 PMPersonally, I like the idea of re-creating the movie version of The Wicker Man. Then you can stuff the original poster into the effigy and lite it.
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Re: Stop burning.
Sat, July 18, 2009 - 4:16 PMStay home, set yourself on fire, and call the Waahmbulance.