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Any opinions on this? Personally, I am having a great time planning my own trip.
I guess this would appeal to folks coming from overseas, or maybe..... douche bags?
Any opinions on this? Personally, I am having a great time planning my own trip.
I guess this would appeal to folks coming from overseas, or maybe..... douche bags?
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Re: Opposite of self reliance.
Fri, July 17, 2009 - 1:09 PMI dunno, looks like a spoof to me. -
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Re: Opposite of self reliance.
Fri, July 17, 2009 - 1:55 PMReally, you think? Looks genuine to me, but I could be wrong.
This isn't the first ad like this I've seen.
Whatever. It not a huge deal, but I've enjoyed the planning and preparing process. Putting it in someone else's hands seems a little weak. -
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Re: Opposite of self reliance.
Fri, July 17, 2009 - 3:37 PMWe are seeing more and more legitimate stuff like this. There's the big village that has vegan food prepared for something like $200 plus 2 hours helping with cleanup. Pretty much every large camp has some kind of dues for variable amenities (showers, food, booze, etc). Frankly it wouldn't completely surprise me if this weren't legit, and that we'll keep seeing more if it as the tourism continues to grow. THESE are the people who are killing Buningman, not the folks who tell all their friends about it. The more people get away from participation and self-reliance, the greater the percentage of people not doing art, not wearing costumes (or nothing), not digging into the burningman spirit.
Oh gawd, I'm becoming one of those "it was better before HellCo" people. :) Seriously, though, every year, we see a higher concentration of tourists, and camps like this, if legitimate, are a part of the problem. Not to mention that they're clearly making a profit on the event.
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Re: Opposite of self reliance.
Fri, July 17, 2009 - 4:13 PMI was talking to the guy that ran the Gourmet camp (I forget the name) a couple years ago and it was a logistical and financial nightmare.
Refrigerated truck, commercial stoves, the works. Massive undertaking.
He basically ran it like a dictator in a military camp. Had to. So much work. So many responsibilities. Non-stop problems.
I was a chef for a camp of 50+ for the first three days a couple years back and never got more than a couple hours in the evening to see the playa, and then I was so tired it was hard to enjoy.
$200 and 2 hrs and all my food is prepared? Deal! (accept I'm not vegan, but you get the point)
yeah, tourists change the feel a bit, but those that come back tend to get assimilated. (resistance is futile!) -
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Re: Opposite of self reliance.
Fri, July 17, 2009 - 8:31 PMThe big downsides to "kitchen camps" are:
. timed meals - if you don't show up when they're serving a meal, you don't eat (for pre-paid meals)
. Miscalculations - if the chef runs out of food a whole village can end up without sustenance.
. disvollunteerism - people promising work hours then never showing up.
. sharing - if some camp members decide to open the kitchen to others (in the spirit of giving) food shortages can result.
. cleanup - there's ALWAYS a cleanup issue or two
. preference - what if you're not vegan/carnivour/able to eat pork/etc?
. portions - some people eat less, some eat more, usually chafing ensues
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Re: Opposite of self reliance.
Fri, July 17, 2009 - 8:55 PM"I was talking to the guy that ran the Gourmet camp (I forget the name) a couple years ago and it was a logistical and financial nightmare. . ."
"$200 and 2 hrs and all my food is prepared? Deal! "
But those aren't the only options, why can't people (even in big camps) make their own food, or go simple if that's too much effort? It's only for a week. Canned food, dried fruit, crackers & cheese, etc. Coolers can keep tortillas, cheese, fresh fruit fresh for the entire trip. Why try to duplicate civilization with fancy food on the playa?
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Re: Opposite of self reliance.
Fri, July 17, 2009 - 9:15 PMWhat I always hoped is that villages would actually wise up and create actual kitchen camps: fridge, stoves, cookware, wash, etc. but no food. You pack your own stuff, put perishables in the fridge, if you want, [unlabeled stuff is for sharing], cook whatever food you want to bring and use the wash facilities to clean up. Then you get your meals, your way, but not everyone needs to bring charcoal grills to cook their food.
that way, if people want to cook bacon, or eggs, or just coffee, they can, with relative ease. So long as people clean up after themselves and bring their own dishes, it's all good. -
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Re: Opposite of self reliance.
Fri, July 17, 2009 - 11:39 PMYeah. Im all for consolidating your plot's space by having a communal area for cooking/food prep. I mean, it will get really cluttered if you have everyone at their tent/RV cooking it and takes away from the communal part. Still...to rely on someone else for your food and taking all the prep out of your experience...yeah, Ill pass
I do agree that this is the epitomy of "tourism at BM" but Im not experienced enough to be close to having a "burnier than thou" attitude bout it either. :) I guess they will really lose out on the experience. Then at some point, something will give. Either they will either understand (providing that they are open to it) once they leave the confines of their camp, or when the buzz/trend/phase is over, move on to the next party since that is what most "tourists" treat BM as
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Re: Opposite of self reliance.
Sat, July 18, 2009 - 3:15 PM"why can't people make their own food"
they absolutely can. i think it's a matter of choice.
just like at home. you can survive on PB&J, but you could also make a 5 course meal. the same choice exists on the playa, only the latter comes with a lot more logistical considerations.
i'm a foodie. so, given a choice, my preference would be fresh, hot meals. i also know a lot of people that could care less...
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